Beginning with the premise that the attack must be taken seriously, Eric Havelock shows that Plato’s hostility is explained by the continued domination of the. PREFACE TO PLATO science and to morality: the major Greek poets from. Homer to Euripides must be excluded from the educational system of Greece. Preface to Plato has ratings and 7 reviews. Tim said: For those billions of you loosing sleep each night trying to figure out why Plato was so hostil.

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Franek rated it it was amazing Sep 12, The second part of the book discusses the Platonic Forms as an aspect of an increasingly rational culture. Archived copy as title CS1 maint: Havelock’s scholarly work during this period focused on Latin poetryparticularly Catullusfar from the early Greek philosophy he had worked on at Cambridge. Ongfor example, in assessing the significance of non-oral communication in an oral culture, cites Havelock’s observation that scientific categories, which are necessary not only for the natural sciences but also for historical and philosophical analysis, depend on writing.

One of those books that I encountered too late. The ritualistic practices of classical Greeks may be obsolete from an empirical point of view, but not at all from an emotional one. In Homer, Havelock argues, the order of ideas is associative and temporal. Literate Greece demanded, instead of poetic discourse, a vocabulary and a sentence structure both abstract and explicit in which experience could be described normatively and analytically: Princeton University Press,28— Got me to think in new ways about Homer and Hesiod, as well as about Plato and the world Plato imagined was possible.

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Buy the selected items together This item: Preface to Plato by Eric Alfred Havelock. Its appearance divides all pre-Greek civilisations from those that are post-Greek. Amazon Inspire Digital Educational Resources.

Hastings House, There was a problem filtering reviews right now. The details in education are given because of the role Poetry played in Ancient Greek education, and this is the aspect of Poetry that Plato is attacking. This article has no associated abstract. The perfect place to start.

But read it and decide for yourself. Published April 15th by Havelodk Press: For Plato to put spirituality on a rational basis was as important a contribution as putting science on a rational basis.

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Even the running of this regime was not elaborated upon, except in the branch of education. It’s a great analysis of the Greek mind’s transit from the Homeric “state of mind” –the realm of orality– to the Platonic “state of mind” –the place of Ideas Literacy and Paideia in Ancient Greece.

But Havelock doesn’t make any persuasive case for why Plato should target Homer for this corruption, since his epics support traditional morality. Beginning with the premise that the attack must be taken seriously, Eric Havelock shows that Prevace hostility is explained by the continued domination of the poetic tradition in contemporary Greek thought.

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Havelock’s influence has spread beyond the study of the classical world to that of analogous transitions in other times and prefacf. Plato attacks poets, particularly Homer, as the sole source of Greek moral and technical instruction–Mr.

Havelock makes a lot of other insightful points about vocabularly etc, half of which went over my head. And it might even be half true!

Preface to Plato

The Evolution of an Ideal Eric A. Knowledge and myth were indistinguishable. Granted, Homer’s gods do not always serve as moral exemplars, but that is only a side issue for Plato and for Havelock’s reading of Plato. Havelock – – Philosophy and Rhetoric 12 3: What he asserts as a definitive use of language can never be conclusively demonstrated not to be an accident of “metrical convenience.

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After Havelock joined the Co-operative Commonwealth Federationalong with several other members of the League, he was pressured by his superiors at the University to curtail his political activity.

No keywords specified fix it. Havelock’s political engagement deepened rapidly. University of Toronto Press,xxviii.